http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.
"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.
then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".
Can you please explain why did you publish a link on this thread to WT material that you know WT does not want published?
Because I wanted to and because JWs and those interested in JWs deserve to know this information.
It does not matter to me what Watchtower wants.
Referring to the LOU, you state that it is an agreement
The letter of understanding is an agreement.
sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".
"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?
you're fired!"..
I don't see this as a civil rights issue, more like a moral wrong issue.
The thing that makes this a civil rights issue is the business license under which the concern operates. This is part of the public infrastructure.
http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.
"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.
then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".
I read your blog before, nothing remarkable, only commentary.
The "commentary" is to publicize that Watchtower advertises one policy (i.e., its 1992 policy) yet has so far not advertised its complicity with the letter of understanding document that is less stringent.
Using the term agreement referring to the document on this thread led me to believe that you were referring to the document as an agreement. Since you did not clarify what you meant but made remarks about the WT not advertizing it, It seemed to me that you meant that it was a secret agreement. Your remarks on this thread about the document also led me to believe that it was a covert document, secretly allowing blood transfusions. I wonder how many people believed that too until I showed that it was not. I see that now that you deny asserting it.
The document in question (i.e., letter of understanding) is an agreement. Watchtower is okay with it. It represents a change from its 1992 position. Watchtower has yet to publicize this less stringent position to rank and file membership. All this has been spelled out. Try reading what I've actually said rather than reading your conclusions into what I've said.
explain
"It is estimated that approximately 1000 Jehovah’s Witnesses die annually worldwide and as many as 100,000 may have died by abstaining from blood transfusions since the blood ban was introduced in 1945."--The Management of Adult Jehovah’s Witnesses in Anaesthesia and Critical Care, by AM Welsh in Australasian Anaesthesia, 2011, pp. 125-132
Watchtower's position on blood transfusion has led to tens of thousands of premature deaths.
http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.
"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.
then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".
1)You talk a lot. I am not persuaded.
I have more to say in response to that, too.
1. I don't care if you are persuaded, or not.
Questions?
http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.
"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.
then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".
2) What is your specific point(s) about WT and their position on BT
I do have more to say in response to that very broad question.
1. Watchtower's position on blood transfusion is irrational.
2. Watchtower's position on blood transfusion is dishonest.
3. Watchtower's position on blood transfusion has led to tens of thousands of premature deaths.
Questions?
http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.
"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.
then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".
1)You talk a lot. I am not persuaded. What is your specific point about this document.
2) What is your specific point(s) about WT and their position on BT
My specific point is as my blog article states:
Is there something about that you don't understand?
Fact: The posted "Letter of Understanding" is not a WT agreement consenting BT. I have shown that.I've not asserted that. So what is your point saying this to me?
Fact: As it is written, the LOU when executed by JW is not an authorization for hospital to administer BT. I have shown that.
I've not asserted that. So what is your point saying this to me?
A further point of my blog article addressing the letter of understanding is this:
Is there anything about that you don't understand?
http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.
"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.
then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".
What are you saying?
Fisherman,
Saying?
You made an assertion of defender of truth. Of defender of truth you asserted "you advertize that the WT is secretly consenting to blood transfusions".
The result is defender of truth asked "Where did I say that the Watchtower is consenting to anyone having blood transfusions?"
I'd say defender of truth is saying, please prove your assertion.
as many of us saw in the pbs news hour program and the abc news nightline program the elders from one congregation failed to communicate properly to the elders in another congregation concerning the child molester jonathan kendrick when he moved to a new congregation.
i have parts of this " introduction letter " from the fremont congregation to the oakley congregation elders so you can read it for yourself and decide how irresponsible these wt appointed elders were.
dated 1/16/98 it opens : .
That Kendrick introduction letter is hard to read. It basically set the guy up in business for his next victim!
I also know that Watchtower has in the past re-appointed men as elders that it knew had a history of sexually molesting a child.
It is a cult.
i believe that since it is not politically correct to spank your child, the watchtower doesn't push parents anymore in that direction.. years ago, elders would sit a parent down and tell them that they needed to discipline their kids and if needed, give them a spanking, since the bible says, they won't die if you give them a beating.. what is the watchtower's view on this subject now?.
Historical footage: Watchtower and the Woodshed
http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.
"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.
then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".
I was reading about the case you mentioned above from the newspaper article (I googled it) and also from your blog. In your blog comments I noticed a commenter referred to an elders only form S-55-E dating from 9/2010.
Do you happen to know where I could read that letter or what the gist of it is
You can see the whole S-55-E document HERE.
I wrote a short blog article about this document titled “No Copies Should Be Made”
Edited to add: For some reason the link I keep trying to embed to the S-55-E document reverts to plain text after a few moments. Don't know why, but after multiple attempts I've given up. If you check my blog article linked above--which link does remain live for some reason--you'll find where the document is linked for viewing.
